The topic of 'healing' is discussed and how our culture seems to have embraced 'healing' as a more nebulous 'trending' topic as opposed to being a truly beneficial specific practice. Everyone seems to be 'healing' but what does that really mean? Brenda introduces Deborah to the possibility of embracing the more specific term and practice of Repair and Return instead. Their discussion centers around exploring how 'repair & return' can work to help those who are facing issues of trauma and other mental health issues. Becoming aware of your own innate abilities and how you can participate in your 'repair' and owning that knowledge is a fundamental principle of Repair and Return.
The topic of 'healing' is discussed and how our culture seems to have embraced 'healing' as a more nebulous 'trending' topic as opposed to being a truly beneficial specific practice. Everyone seems to be 'healing' but what does that really mean? Brenda introduces Deborah to the possibility of embracing the more specific term and practice of Repair and Return instead. Their discussion centers around exploring how 'repair & return' can work to help those who are facing issues of trauma and other mental health issues. Becoming aware of your own innate abilities and how you can participate in your 'repair' and owning that knowledge is a fundamental principle of Repair and Return.
Welcome to the Soul Path Sessions podcast with Deborah Minds Pearson and Brenda Littleton. Brenda is an educator and counselor wrote it in YY and Ecopsychology. She helps her clients understand the importance of the mind, body, spirit, and earth relationship for healing. Deborah is a licensed psychotherapist and has been trained in traditional and sacred psychology, exploring from the ground up what makes our human experience meaningful, wholesome, and enlightening. Deborah and Brenda invite you to accompany them on a soul path journey as they explore the possibilities of living a most soulful life as therapists, seekers, and lovers of fate.
Deborah:Welcome to Soul Path Sessions. I'm Deborah Mines Pearson, and I'm here with Brenda Littleton today. And we're going to talk about repair and return. This is a topic that Brenda brought to my attention in a most interesting way, and I want her to give her room today to really expand what she means. And what was interesting to me, Brenda, about this topic was the heat you brought to it because the heat, you brought some heat. We were out hiking in the Indian Canyons. No, it talks, sorry, talks Falls a few weeks ago. And, and, uh, this mild matter reporter called Brenda<laugh> says, you know, I just hate the word healing. And I'm like, that's interesting. I've never heard anyone with that. Put those two things like I really despise this word healing and it got me curious cuz I knew that you had really peeled something apart. And I'm just really curious what your distinction is and why this got your ire and, and what you really wanna focus on for yourself and maybe for our listeners.
Brenda:Thank you. Well, it's not so much that I have a problem with the process of healing or people healing as it is. Um, you know, a long time ago, about 20 years, I started to work with trauma and what can I do as a practitioner to help people through their pain? And the idea of wound, uh, of trauma of healing was not part of the vernacular. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, the, the, the, the collective consciousness. Not, not many people were talking about my wound, my childhood wound. It was the whole idea was not, um, topical and it wasn't comfortable. But now, everywhere I turn, every, every podcast I listen to, or magazine article, or even there was an article in the AAA magazine is about spots to go to heal. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So it's just, it just becomes the sense of a mashup, you know, the idea of everyone's, oh, how are you healing today? You know, what are you doing for your healing path? And
Deborah:Feels trendy.
Brenda:Trendy. Yeah. Thank you. Um, without a lot of sustenance, it, it becomes more of a, a topic mm-hmm.<affirmative> as opposed to a practice. And so I was, um, involved in a group, um, with Sophie Strand, who is just an amazing young woman, uh, who is bringing to the forefront, um, animistic properties and, and philosophies that non-human entities, non-human life, uh, is, is part of our biome, and that we are all interrelated. And, and while these concepts are, are part of our mainstream, she's doing a very specific job in allowing this conversation, um, to be named in different ways and in ways that are topical. And I applaud her for that. And, uh, the idea that I, the, one of the takeaway ideas that I left from the, the program, um, was dealing with, uh, we, we were looking at mycelium and the interconnectedness of mycelium mm-hmm.<affirmative> And, and how all, you know, under the ground, there's this frequency, this network of communication that, that moves and surfaces and that how we as humans are also all part of our above ground interconnected communication. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, and I woke up with the notion of, I downloaded this idea instead of saying myself mm-hmm.<affirmative> as, as spelled by S E L f mm-hmm.<affirmative>, myself mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative> that, um, on a molecular level, uh, we are, you know, we are healing ourselves. We are repairing ourselves, we are moving forward with unconsciously of ourselves dividing and, and re you know, redoing our, like we have new hair, we have new eyes, we have, you know, new skin. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, we're constantly repairing and regenerating, oh, there's your, there's your turnaround. Yeah. Sos it's a sense of regeneration mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And without being conscious of it, now we can make it, you know, we can make it conscious mm-hmm.<affirmative>, But I was working with the notion of instead of myself, S E l F, that we function and just give some space to the idea of myself, C E L F. Love it. And what do cells do? Yeah. They repair mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, they regenerate. And when I brought it to, uh, my clients, the idea of if I gave you a year off of healing, of working your practice of healing, and I'm gonna ask you to be conscious of repairing, maybe repairing a sense of emotional, uh, ha habits or, or compensations mm-hmm.<affirmative>, if I was to ask you to repair your relationship with your daughter or your repair, the, the monkey chatter in your brain about self negative talk, if I was to ask you to be more cellular mm-hmm.<affirmative> and be aware of how your body is supporting and is a container for these emotional, psychological, and spiritual work mm-hmm.<affirmative>, and that we align ourselves more with the cellular function mm-hmm.<affirmative> and communicate with ourselves this way, how would that feel?
Deborah:Mm-hmm.
Brenda:<affirmative>, everyone said that they had a sense of burden released. Yeah. That the practice of healing also came with the sense of, um, judgment that they, they didn't do something right, or that they stayed away from their diet or they didn't do their, their meditation or their yoga or their exercise mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And that it was, um, kinda a double-edged sword that they were, um, one step forward, two steps back type of thing. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And with the notion of repair as opposed to the whole premise of I'm working my practice to heal, um, it was lighter, more doable, um, smaller chunks. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, uh, they could track their progress, that any activity that they participated in to assist in their body repairing mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, gave them great spirit, they felt in compliance with themselves mm-hmm.<affirmative> and there was a, a larger sense of satisfaction mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So while the notion of, so that's twofold. One is, I, I get kind of irritated by just having something very sacred, um, becoming a trend.
Deborah:I hear you. Yeah. I I didn't get that you throughout the whole word. It was just the way it was being modified, it wasn't integral enough. It didn't include the, all the moving parts. It was hyper fixated and focused and maybe even doing people harm. Yeah.
Brenda:Yeah.
Deborah:Like if everybody says, I have a wound of trauma and I have to avoid, and I'm limiting, you know, this is, I see that as a very negative trend, and I've watched it in my own practice where people will say, so-and-so's narcissistic, that's also trending. Everybody's narcissistic. Yeah. That's a word. And I'm not saying that this doesn't exist, um, but to a certain extent, we all are. And my wound, my woundology, my study of my wound is leading me into deep, dark de depths of depression and despair and all the D words. Yes. And so, as a trauma specialist, I find that I join you in that because when I was trained in emdr, for instance, eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing, they've talked a lot about resources. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you can't do trauma work. You can't do the bilateral stimulation of a person's eyes or their, their body in order to help them process through like, let's say rape or the, you know, the murder or some horrible thing mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, without he helping them access their strengths. Yeah. So you always begin with what do you already know? What already helps you? Can you visualize it? Like the, the, the work that, like you were talking about the cell, like we're, we're, we're not even like it's pre-conscious. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I'm talking to you right now. I'm digesting my food, my blood is circulating, lymphatic cells are eating up stuff that I don't want in my blood. So I'm, I'm in semi-permeable self.
Brenda:C E L F
Deborah:C E L F. Yeah. And in the same way mentally. Yeah. When I'm having thoughts, if I'm in a trauma lock, uh, one of my, one of my, uh, awarenesses is when someone's in a trauma lock, we get them to move their eyes around brain spotting, getting them to move their eyes to a place where they're not locked and they can access their breath, they can access what heals them. The idea that we cannot access What's that? It's not inside, which is something you brought up last semester in our SOPA sessions that within us mm-hmm.<affirmative> is a universe of knowledge. And if we as healers don't access, we say, I hold this magic ticket to you and it'll cost you all this money. And then when I tell you you're well, you can go, that's sick. My job as a healer is to access your inner resources, the things you know, and bring, make them conscious to you so that when we do the memory work or the retrieval, you can rest there. Yeah. Rest and repair.
Brenda:Rest and repair and return. Um, how
Deborah:Beautiful. I love that.
Brenda:I, I, yes. Did a session with Mac Lakota, who is a wonderful depth of psychologist, psychotherapist, and, um, he has a program in, um, just holding space for us to, to acknowledge this place of frozen entities. Like when we, we have all of these, um, these forgotten parts of ourselves and this implicit memory, and, and they're being very, and I call them being very polite, they're waiting off in the corner pocket. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> waiting for that opportunity to, to reemerge and, and yet they're always on the quest to return home. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And, and part of the work that Laca is providing is a sense of, um, disengaging with the act of moving forward and, and being in that well of where we can be comfortable. We, we become comfortable with all of those parts that are not repaired, that all of those parts that we would, um, traditionally want to heal. But the idea is that we we're not, we're not judging them. That we accept them as they are, and that we create a sense of safety, and that the first step of, of working toward homeostasis is safety. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And so for me, the idea, and, and this obviously speaks to my own inner work. Yeah. Instead of healing, I wanna repair mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, I'm also in this place in my life where I'm repairing everything, whether it's my car, my house, my body, you know, my teeth in my hair, all of it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, and, and working with the cells. And so that, in that place of, as you're saying, understanding what a person's resources are Yeah. If we actually give notice to all of the magic and the sacredness that's going on in our bodies mm-hmm.<affirmative> every single breath. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it's amazing. I mean, I did a yoga practice with the lady, my, my practitioner. She's moved from Joshua Tree down to Mexico. And even on Zoom, it was, it was palatable that it was in exhaling, going all the way down to being depleted completely empty, and then staying there even a moment further and being at peace with that, and then inhaling and starting from the sense of, yeah. Wow. That's a beautiful place to be.
Deborah:It's so simple.
Brenda:It's very simple. And if we can start there, the sense of emptiness mm-hmm.<affirmative> the sense of complete exhalation. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> detoxing it out. So our cells are, I called it the low, low tide. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know, it's being extracted mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And then we bring it up and we build. So if we are starting from the most smallest perceptible, natural, automatic free Yeah. Free<laugh> and, and counting those senses of I am repairing mm-hmm.<affirmative> and, um, accentuate that and amplify it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I'm, I'm a big proponent of amplification. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, I was lucky to study with, um, James Hillman, uh, for three years mm-hmm.<affirmative>, where one of his opening lines of his very first lectures at Pacifica was, we've had psychotherapy for over a hundred years and we're still up.<laugh>
Deborah:Same patient too.
Brenda:Yeah.<laugh>. That's a lot of repair there.<laugh>.
Deborah:Well, it's true. You know, I'm old enough in my practice to see that every generation that comes through is beginning with where they are. And I've had to realize, you know, the, the stages of evolution as well, as well as trends mm-hmm.<affirmative>, when a person comes in. Mm. I, I'm not quite as caustic as James Hillman. I I really see psyche therapy as being wonderful because it's a big category. I mean, many of my clients, their lives are better, and I'm enriched for knowing them. And they've gone on to do wonderful things. I think what the, where it's become, where therapy has taken a turn, and, and I'm very grateful to see that it's become more somatic. It's become more inclusive.
Brenda:Embodied.
Deborah:Yes. And the studies that were done on the Buddhist monks, the, the, um, the brain studies where they showed that, what you're talking about, uh, meditation, um, uh, Robert, um, uh, oh, what's her name? Uh, Oman, uh,
Brenda:Uh, Johnson.
Deborah:No, no, no, no. Um, what's her name? Um, Luma Thurman. Robert Thurman studies took me a while. I had to go back through the actress to find it. Click, click, click click Thurman. Yeah. Click click. Thurman Wild came up. Roman Thur, Robert Thurman, um, basically put Electroencephalograph on on monks who are meditating. And he found that the, the left parietal region of the brain was much more lit up. He found that their oxygen levels were much better and they reported peace. So what they, what's happened is that's gotten tied into the work of John Cabot Zen and, and, um, um, John Boris Cinco and others who practice, uh, more expanded view of healing. Um, and we now know in our field, in psyche therapy, which means soul or our very first episode that we must include in the conversation, what truly heals and what Robert Thurman studies showed is if you meditate or you breathe and you do mindful practices, you're gonna have a calmer system. Your body knows how to self-regulate, just like Mr. Rogers taught you self-regulation through kindness to one's self.
Brenda:RGUs talks about that in the polyvagal. Yes.
Deborah:Polyvagal so many conversations.
Brenda:And I, I used to teach, um, and when I would have my polyvagal serum Yeah. Um, symposiums and, and, and the idea of mindfulness and breathing, and again, though it's the molecular level mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it's the cell mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And so I wanna amplify from the smallest, smallest, smallest part of our function of life mm-hmm.<affirmative> and amplify it up. And, um, so I'm walking around, um, when I'm choosing food, it's like, okay, I'm gonna repair, um, my inflammation. Yes. Because I have a lot of inflammation due to injuries mm-hmm.<affirmative> and, um, so it, it portions it out for me. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I, I'm able to say, okay, in this little part of my life, I'm gonna do this little packet. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And, and then I, I, I, I go into my yoga practice mm-hmm.<affirmative> or my meditation practice mm-hmm.<affirmative> and I, and, um, and then my physical, and then my intellect and my creative, and then my spiritual. And
Deborah:You're tapping into your, to your inner intelligence. And that's something I think that we want to, psyche wants to reconnect to this, the human life we're living. I love this because you were my inspiration when we were out walking after our beautiful day in the Taitz Falls area. I got very ill. And you were talking about inflammation, which was perfect. Divine timing. Yeah. Uh, we went and had some food, and then I went home and I just puffed up. And I felt horrible. Not because of Brenda<laugh>, but because it was January and my body had too much surplus. I was in a canyon with a lot of pollen and things that I wasn't particularly used to. And I just finished the Christmas holiday where there'd been a lot of, you know, eat, drink, and be merry with my family. And I heard you saying, I'm dealing with inflammation. So this is the other piece, folks. Um, healing is at hand. Meaning if you wonder like, well, gee, how do I learn how to deescalate my body from inflammation? Well, that for me was a, a learning path. I got on in my twenties, thirties, forties, because I was very sick. So I learned to steam vegetables mm-hmm.<affirmative> to make a pot of steamed vegetables to eat less. I read and studied extensively, self-healing, self-care. Nowadays I think it's much more easy because you just go on a YouTube video, you gotta be a little careful, but read a few books on cleansing and healing. And you're, what Brenda's saying is you're tapping into your body's innate ability to heal, to thrive, to calm. It's not something we, as therapists give you. We help point you towards yourself.
Brenda:And I asked my clients, c e l Yes. C e l F I asked them, you're like, so what's your plan for repair and return for this week? Yeah. And that's their homework.
Deborah:It's not like I have this huge wound and I can't heal. It's, it's like, I hear that, let's just not make it so big you could never do anything about it. Yeah. Except have acid reflux. Yeah. And, and, and antidepressants or whatever. Let's deal with the cause. Right.
Brenda:And I, you know, in hindsight when I, when I first did my internship at domestic violence, um, a a whole interesting world, um, of a lot of behavioral, lot of C B T, and, um, it was just, well, let's talk about how you can take three steps of change in your day-to-day life. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, because the whole overall atmosphere, the whole landscape was so debilitating. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> was so multi-generational mm-hmm.<affirmative> that it, it felt futile. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> for the, for the client. Yes. And so just giving a sense of do this mm-hmm.<affirmative> and then do this. Yeah. And now plant garden, do this.
Deborah:Plant a garden even, you know, just, I mean, I look at, I've worked with people who've come out of war torn areas. Um, it, Bosnia Yeah. Was one of my early experiences of people who were refugees. I worked with some Ukrainian people, and what I noticed, like Clarisa Estee talks about a lot in, uh, in her work, uh, uh, the, the, the faithful Gardener. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it's one of my favorite books, because she talks about her uncle who comes over from Hungary, Hungarian Hor, I think it was Hungary. And, and, and they were like, this was a really bad time, folks. This was like death camps and horrible stuff. Um, in the early fifties, people, her uncle came over and everything was taken. The land people were killed in front of them. I've worked with people who've gone through these things, and they always start with getting their hands in the soil. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, they start with the stories. They weep into the earth. They don't have small problems. They have problems that are so large
Brenda:That they can't change it, that
Deborah:They must put their hands in the earth and they must begin again. I've worked with Holocaust survivors. Yeah. That's how old I am. People who have stamps on their arms, and they don't come in with small issues. They, in fact, they, they instruct me. Yeah. Because it's, it's not to minimize the things that my clients bring in, it's to, to talk about resilience and the ability of the body, mind, spirit to heal, tell the story in the context of we will survive and we will thrive. And when you thrive and survive through your pain, and you're not afraid to hold it, and you're aware that you're set up to heal, you'll naturally share that elixir with others. And that's where the joy is.
Brenda:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, the key idea is that may becoming aware of your own ability Yeah. And to know that it's going on, whether you're conscious of it or not.
Deborah:Yeah. I like that. Yeah.
Brenda:And that you can participate along this vein. You can add, you can jump, you know, you can assist by being aware of just how your body is working for you. And then if you own that, if you know that my body, while I may have severe inflammation mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I'm still reproducing my cells, I still have skin covering. I'm, you know, my heart is still working mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, and
Deborah:I might drink some parsley juice and, and my bo my cells will go, yum, yum. Yum. That's so healing and
Brenda:Alkaline. And that, you know, the idea of going in, I, I am always talking about embodiment and, and the animistic part of life. That
Deborah:Everything, can you define animistic? Well,
Brenda:Everything has, uh, soul. Oh yeah. That there's a spirit in, there's a frequency. Everything has a frequency. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I mean, that's why we have the periodic table mm-hmm.<affirmative> so that we understand the chemicals. Fascinating. And that, um, it used to be more of a more spiritual practice that mm-hmm.<affirmative> in eliminating it through the, the advent of various religions and having religions become expansionary and, uh, manifest destiny. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And so a lot of the, the old ways were, um, folded in or went underground into mycelium. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. That's why I love mycelium, cuz it holds all of our
Deborah:Secrets. And mycelium brief definition,
Brenda:Uh, the interconnectness of the life force under the, under the, the fungus, the fung, it's fungi. It's, um, and the fruit of the fungi would be mushrooms, uhhuh,<affirmative>, you know, you can pick mushrooms mm-hmm.<affirmative>, and, but you're not killing the mycelium. It's
Deborah:Still underground. So it's like an internal underground network of life that's
Brenda:A neural network
Deborah:That's sending, uh, nutrient information and healing, to use that word, healing underneath the repairing. And if you, and restoring under the ground,
Brenda:If you look at it and you take a, a micro pH, uh, photo of it, it looks like our neural pathways in our body.
Deborah:Fascinating. Fascinating.
Brenda:I mean, it's, it's very, I it's almost identical. We
Deborah:Are a tree
Brenda:<laugh> and the mother tree, I mean, yeah. Suzanne, Sam Mars work, the professor out of ubc, university of British Columbia and Forestry Talks has identified how the single mother tree actually, uh, assigns, um, and, um, assembles resources and sends it out into different parts of the forest mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And so, um, it's, it's all vital. And as are we, so that's my, I'm, I'm exploring it. I'm, I'm looking at the idea of recovery and repair. Um, as Mark, as Matt Lada had mentioned, you know, the first step toward any healing is a sense of safety. I find that people, that the people I work with, whether they're it's coaching or, or counseling, um, once they achieve a place of safety that they self design, that they live it, they, they know it, whether in their body. Um, some people only have their body. Some, some, some people in safety, it doesn't exist out in the world mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But when they have that sense of awareness of safety mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, it is the first step and of, of healing mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And to me, if we portion it out, just like having ingredients in a soup mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, yeah. We're working toward the ultimate affect of healing, but, uh, just trunking it out, PORs like multiple personas and the idea of how are you going to repair and return this week.
Deborah:I love that. I love that so much. And it makes so much sense, body, mind, spirit, shadow, that our work is to find that base. It's the base. Yeah. Right. It's the first need of a baby to feel secure, securely attached. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, I find that for me, when I don't feel secure, I go out in nature and I sit in a quiet place. Even if I have to drive, if I was so anxious, I couldn't, I might get a really soft blanket and hum. Mm.
Brenda:You might a little
Deborah:Whistled. Yeah. You have that whistle. You, you, you just create a tone. I learned to do this thing, I think it's called Manara, where you actually take your fingers and you take the flaps of your ears and you cover the hole in your ears, and then you close your eyes and you go,
Speaker 4:Hmm.
Deborah:And in doing that, I create a vibratory space, a frequency. Yeah. That stops all the noise. And all I can hear is my own humming. It's just such a good one. It is for just restoring me to the now moment. It sounds like a zen temple inside of me when
Brenda:I'm doing that. Well, there's a sense of frequency that I, in the chanting that allows me to vibrate out and I connect in ways that are much more satisfying mm-hmm.<affirmative> and much more joyful mm-hmm.<affirmative> than if I just keep it inside and I have mm-hmm.<affirmative> my own space, you know, I like being connected mm-hmm.<affirmative> to outside and mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So for me, chanting outside, um, my little whistle, um, life wave I think it's called, um, you know, the frequency that you've just said mm-hmm.<affirmative> where you're, you're activating because those, that's a cellular molecular and it's gonna affect the bioche three. I mean, part of my postdoc work was working in biochemistry mm-hmm.<affirmative> and, and what, how, how, what activities, such as what you referred to earlier, doing the mind mapping with the meditation mm-hmm.<affirmative> and, and knowing that it dumps oxytocin within a very short time, like eight minutes.
Deborah:Yeah. I'm already feeling the effect of just doing mancar. This, I feel very relaxed. I just gave myself a little holiday.
Brenda:Yeah.<laugh>. I like that. Holiday. Holiday.
Deborah:Yeah.<laugh>. It feels good. It didn't cost anything. Yeah. That's a fun tool to have. So I, I think this, uh, as we look at the idea of repair as we're revisiting that, it's like you're re you're pairing something mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I mean, with something else. And so you're pairing consciousness of my skin cells, my blood cells, uh, the things that Deepak Chopra talked about way back in the nineties. Magical mind, magical body. It's on YouTube. He talked about, be aware of the miracle of every cell of your body is right now healing, you, replicating, taking away toxins. You are creating or biology of belief. Bruce Lipton. Yeah. What you're doing right now is called epigenetics. You the things that you choose, or it's not your just genetic code. You're actively acting with the present, current now moment to bring about healing. If you wish.
Brenda:To me, it's the, the first beginning of embodiment. I love it. And the visionary, the vision that I was given was a long hallway, dark hallway, but at the, toward the middle of it, this is a jar door, and this golden light is emanating Mm. Calling me, beckoning me. So I go down this hallway, I very, it's not timidly, but very cautiously open. And there is this giant Vibrating sun, but I see that it is one cell. And then I actually watch it starting to, to divide mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And, and it's very reminiscent of seeing a cell divide into two. But right before they break away the two sides of, of the, like a Venn diagram mm-hmm.<affirmative>, the two circles are together. And right at that, that junction right before they divide, I look down and all the way down, like, uh, an elevator in both of these circles is, is a circle beyond a circle, beyond a circle, beyond a circle, beyond a circle beyond. And it goes all the way. And I realize this is, these are little tubes of discovery. And this is my breath. This is my blood, this is my history, this is my future. And, and everything is contained and it's all vibrating. And so I enter into that and I just feel this warmth and this, this pulsation, and I realize that this is my life force. Mm-hmm.
Deborah:<affirmative>.
Brenda:And from here I can create, I can digest, I can write, I can paint, I can move in through my day. And, and I stay in that space. And even as I drive on the freeway, or if I'm sitting in a conference, or if I'm giving a lecture or sitting in sacred space in a client, this new vision of the cellular divide going all the way down this, this, this chamber mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, that connects me to where my, my eyesight in this room all the way back down into past the earth crust, into, down below, beyond the planet. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, uh, it just creates for me this place of safety. And so I feel that I'm ready to, um, face and hold and work and move forward from this, this, this beautiful place of containment.
Deborah:Beautiful. It sounds like you're really utilizing active imagination as well, which is a holographic field. Yeah. That connects you to these very beautiful inner workings of the, not just yourself c e f, but the universe. Yeah. That's wonderful. Brenda, thank you so much for sharing this today. I think it pleasure. It's quite deeply nurturing.
Brenda:Thanks for asking. All right. Thanks Deborah. Until
Deborah:We meet again,<laugh>,
Brenda:Bye bye.
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